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because i think that the analogy i made in terms of china, everybody is mad at china for selling our movies and music, but yet for an individual, you don't have that kind of right. you own the picture, you took it. >> intellectual property. >> facebook owns instagram. do you think this was a shocker? >> i know those guys, they're really intelligent, they typically try to do things the right way and this one apparently got a little away from them. >> we were talking for a long time, we have been talking for a lock time about retailers going out of business bought of dot comes. what's new here? >> the share of retail done by the online players just keeps expanding in the key categories. basically everything other than what you consume, grocery and drug, is the online guys are getting more and more share. the retail pie is only so big. online guys extend their share of the pie, the part left for the physical guys, it shrinks and they've got such high fixed cost structures that they can't survive that. and so, the logical implication for a lot of these really historically successful reta
because i think that the analogy i made in terms of china, everybody is mad at china for selling our movies and music, but yet for an individual, you don't have that kind of right. you own the picture, you took it. >> intellectual property. >> facebook owns instagram. do you think this was a shocker? >> i know those guys, they're really intelligent, they typically try to do things the right way and this one apparently got a little away from them. >> we were talking for a...
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so you have china engineering a soft landing and starting to recover. you have europe away from the brink. greece got upgraded today. who would have thought it. that is what the market is looking at. saying okay. it is not going to be the worst kcase sharcenario, but you coul extend the middle class tax cuts and be done with it. it is in a recession. >> and i think the market would not like that very much. everybody is expecting that you get the middle class tax cuts done. >> and if you can get china and europe doing better. it is hard to be terribly bearish on the u.s. >> y are going to stay with our politico expert. this is a rally that has surprised experts. it hasn't been that easy to be optimistic. >> it is. i think you have to be cautious here. the probability that this could fall apart is very, very real. >> so, you have to be careful up at these levels as a trader. i have low exposure up here. i have protection. that is how you have to play this market. stay with us please. >> yesterday it looked like washington was inching towards a deal. but t
so you have china engineering a soft landing and starting to recover. you have europe away from the brink. greece got upgraded today. who would have thought it. that is what the market is looking at. saying okay. it is not going to be the worst kcase sharcenario, but you coul extend the middle class tax cuts and be done with it. it is in a recession. >> and i think the market would not like that very much. everybody is expecting that you get the middle class tax cuts done. >> and if...
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>> what you heard out of china, a government official in china said last month, he was quoted until saying, if we continue bi bailing these companies out in china, it's giving a patient poison to quench their thirst. you had a bailout of sun tech, a bailout of another chinese company and you've had multiple bailouts since then. you have massive oversupply in this market. you need companies to go out of business. what china is doing, they are coming in and bachling them out. thus this capacity that needs to be reduced is continuing to grow. so, we think capacity in china is going to row. you have much more supply than the demand. we continue to see price pressure. >> gordon, one of your competitors, i think tend of november, has a $50 price target on the stock. mentioned their cash flow. i'm not asking you to talk about their call but can you talk about their cash flow? do they have a healthy situation? >> that's a good point. where the projects they have, they will have the cash. but once the projects are over, if you look at first solar's earnings over the past four quarters, quarters whe
>> what you heard out of china, a government official in china said last month, he was quoted until saying, if we continue bi bailing these companies out in china, it's giving a patient poison to quench their thirst. you had a bailout of sun tech, a bailout of another chinese company and you've had multiple bailouts since then. you have massive oversupply in this market. you need companies to go out of business. what china is doing, they are coming in and bachling them out. thus this...
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good thing because an employee owned company is much less likely to move away to set up operations in china for example is the jobs here for you in companies if the company does better the people who work there are benefits so there's an incentive to work harder and actually see a result from that. so what's the number for actual we'll have to look there for a few work. and know how and i don't know how many people we don't know so hundreds there are hundreds of these businesses very successful businesses. and incredible range of kinds of work. but i don't know what the total number is i've visited i think it's called peninsula engineering in madison this and you need it if you just missed that thank you and and union cabin interviewed people from both those organizations there's some really extraordinary stories out there melissa what are you what are your favorite stories that are told in this movie. well of course it was wonderful to visit longer gone. to see a place that's been in operation for fifty sixty years and so many people it was a very convincing example that we could organize.
good thing because an employee owned company is much less likely to move away to set up operations in china for example is the jobs here for you in companies if the company does better the people who work there are benefits so there's an incentive to work harder and actually see a result from that. so what's the number for actual we'll have to look there for a few work. and know how and i don't know how many people we don't know so hundreds there are hundreds of these businesses very successful...
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i think growth in china's accelera accelerating. the stock market might be the most undervalued in the world. the stock market entirely could be under valued. how many short sellers told you to do the opposite and sell that market? after the steam roller it's been of late, what exactly are the short sellers saying now? i don't know, i'm not hearing them clearly. i'm not listening. i'm not, no, i'm not hearing. europe and china both were supposed to slip into oblivion in 2012. that was the easiest story, everybody wrote it. turned out two fabulous places to invest. how about this housing market? most common worry, the dreaded shadow inventory. oh, the shadow inventory. >> the house of pain. >> so many banks and so many homes said the books could never recover. wasn't that the narrative? now, where are we? the shadow inventory turned out. the banks that were thought to be a ton of shadow inventory in the books, i hope they have some because they've been the hottest stocks around. especially bank of america, up more than 100% for the y
i think growth in china's accelera accelerating. the stock market might be the most undervalued in the world. the stock market entirely could be under valued. how many short sellers told you to do the opposite and sell that market? after the steam roller it's been of late, what exactly are the short sellers saying now? i don't know, i'm not hearing them clearly. i'm not listening. i'm not, no, i'm not hearing. europe and china both were supposed to slip into oblivion in 2012. that was the...
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we face the same issues with a competitive ship to economic power to china and the like. we have to educate our children better. we're doing the things. i think the issues we take on entitlement reform and education reform, these are the things that the u.s. congress and administration have to tackle in the next year on or so. >> what about europe? will the euro zone up stick together and will the uk start part of the union? david cameron said in the last couple of days there may need fob a referendum on that. >> the euro zone will stick together. they made a decision through this year. they made a decision to keep themselves together, and britain be want to be a fully fledged member of the european union and not of the euro zone. we don't have to merge our kurn stee, we don't have to american our budget policies, we don't have to do all the things they need to do to make their currency work. by the way, alexander hamilton taught us all you need to do to make single currency work a couple years ago. >> here's a point of view from the upcoming issue of the new york magazin
we face the same issues with a competitive ship to economic power to china and the like. we have to educate our children better. we're doing the things. i think the issues we take on entitlement reform and education reform, these are the things that the u.s. congress and administration have to tackle in the next year on or so. >> what about europe? will the euro zone up stick together and will the uk start part of the union? david cameron said in the last couple of days there may need fob...